In today’s episode I talk to Debra Katz.
Debra Lynne Katz is an internationally renowned speaker, Clairvoyant and Director of the International School of Clairvoyance (ISC), which was the first online school in the world to offer interactive small group clairvoyant training in a tele-seminar and webinar format.
Debra is author of three successful and popular books about identifying one’s innate psychic abilities, developing techniques for practicing ones clairvoyant powers and finding greater inner peace, growth and the power of manifesting one’s greatest desires through spiritual awareness, visualization and clairvoyance.
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In the episode we learn
- How Debra learned she had psychic abilities and how you can recognise if you have them
- How you can develop your ability even if you think you can’t
- We learn what actually happens during a clairvoyant reading
- She shares her student success stories (you would be surprised at who has taken courses with her)
Debra’s site DebraKatz.com
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J – the spiritually curious podcast, episode 2, Debra Katz, I am psychic. Hi Debra, I am thrilled to be talking to you today, I can’t wait to learn from you about clairvoyance and all things psychic.
D -well thank you for inviting me, I am very excited to talk to you an all your listeners.
J – as you know I want everyday women such as myself to open themselves up to new ideas that can help to transform their lives. I want to introduce them to things they probably never tried or probably never heard of, so I wanted to start at the very beginning with basic questions about yourself and then go on to specific questions that I had and people that I know also had. I know also have. So I want to start by asking you to describe what it is that you actually do.
D – well I do many things, first I teach people how to get in touch with their own natural physic abilities and intuitive abilities so that they can make use of them to help themselves and other people. I also teach meditation techniques and self-healing techniques because when you develop your psychic abilities there are different facts and impacts of doing that and so it’s helpful to learn some ways you can ground and clear and heal yourself. So I teach and then I also do a lot of sessions or consultations or reading with clients who are seeking insights into their lives and to solving problems and understanding where they are blocked and how they can move beyond different obstacles in their lives so I do a lot of work with individual people as well as teaching classes. I also have three books out on the subject of Psychic development and Intentions to manifest your dreams, the subject of my third book, “Freeing The Genie Within,” is how you can use your thoughts and intentions and emotions to create the reality you want to see around you, so I do a lot of writing as well.
J – that’s definitely interesting, I can’t wait to ask you about it. So what started you on this path?
D – well really I would say just my genetics and just my life circumstances I have an identical twin sister named Amy and when we were just a few years old we started to become aware that we were experiencing each other’s thoughts and emotions, then we also will see different things around the house that weren’t totally solid. We will see forms, figure of someone standing in my parents’ bedroom door for example and it took long before we realised that the other one was seeing the exact something and this was even before we had words like spirts or something like that, it was just like oh there is that guy is standing in the door way that I have to run past if I want to go in and jump on my parents bed and that thing is just there every morning and as I run past it disappears and it took me a year or so and me not saying anything and it’s not because I didn’t realise it was unusual, it was just something you deal with just like you have to brush your teeth in the morning, it was just part of life.
J – that’s interesting, so has your sister gone onto do anything in this realm, or she has taken totally different path?
D – yes, she actually is also a professional psychic, she does other things too she is a real estate agent and she teaches communication classes at a university, so she does all sorts of different things but she also does psychic readings but we have had different experiences as adults. I went through some intensive training courses to learn how to do readings in a certain way and she didn’t go through the same training so we just come from different approaches.
J – I think this is so interesting that this happened when you were so young that you didn’t even have words for it, so one of my questions that I had was, do I have to be born with this or can I actually develop this skill later on in life?
D – well both, everyone is born with it, we are all psychic and we are all being psychic all the time, it’s just that some people, we are not taught in school what’s happening and in fact, so many people when they have these experiences, even people who are not twins, many of you are listeners, they are aware of having had different psychic related experiences when they were younger and a lot of the times they were told, it’s just their imagination or their parents got upset when they talked about it, or someone made fun of them, so they kind of shut it off. But, so much of our creativity and even our thoughts and our feelings are coming from other people around us and just that a lot of times people don’t notice that unless it’s something really dramatic happening in a big way or unless someone points it out to them. So we are all always having this happen but that being said, we can learn how to bring these abilities out. Everybody has the potential to take whatever their natural ability is, even if they barely ever had the psychic experience. I train a lot of people who just fascinated with the subject and have maybe on had one or two very subtle experiences they were not even sure were real and after a very short time they see oh yes, they can have visions, clairvoyance and they can hear messages through telepathy or clairaudience or mediumship.
J -can I stop you a second, Clairaudience, what would that be?
D – so that would be psychic hearing, hearing messages that are not your own thoughts but coming from other people or from other spirts.
J – oh excellent, so I want to talk about that a little bit later on. Can you share with me one of your most memaurable successes that you have experienced?
D – well as far as my, can you be a little bit more specific, as far as my own experience?
J – yes, in your career, what would you say is your biggest highlight of your career so far, the biggest success you have experienced with a student or somebody that you were treating?
D – well in fact, I have a student his name is Dennis and I just gave him the most improved student of the year award, because when he started out he is an astrologer but he wasn’t convinced he could learn how to do this stuff and he was having a harder time than the other students in class and really what I do in class is I teach some techniques and pretty much people start to have result right away but then initially its very basic impressions, they don’t really know what they mean. They kind of go through a lot to get confidence to speak up when they are getting a visual or hearing something. So with this one student he was just having such a hard time and he would get scared and nervous and not speak up and he just stayed at it and with enough encouragement from myself and other students and after 12 weeks he started to just say things. He wasn’t talking a lot but when he would speak the things he said were so right on, so for example, one of the other students she has this really interesting job. You may have heard about the TV show The Sea Shepherd.
J – I’m not sure
D – Well it’s about this crew of people that goes out into the sea and stop with Japanese whaling. So one of my other students Beatrice she is a nurse on that ship and she has her own company that is a conservation company saving different sea animals, but she is in a different class than Dennis was in and so Dennis was giving her a reading, he didn’t know her at all and he saw her on a ship and underneath her was all these whales and just so many details. She had just gotten back from sea and after being out for 3 months and so he is talking about the whales and it was cool because he even had the sense that she was telepathically communicating with them and then addressing some of the issues she had dealt with other people on the ship and I was just, this isn’t really very unusual as far as a lot of my students and myself, these are the kind of details that we will get, but I was just so impressed that after, he just stayed with it and he pushed himself past his fears and his doubts. That’s when you see, like you really get into this training, the psychic part of it, there are some really simple techniques and once you got the techniques down, then there is having to get past your own personality issues like being afraid to be wrong and to sound stupid and not know what you are talking about.
J – yes, I can imagine you sounding stupid because I have been reading your book, You Are Psychic, and some of the meditations that you have got in there, that your trying to ground yourself when you stop doing it. You really have to be in a place when you are on your own. When you are not surrounded by the children, you have to really have time to yourself to be able to do that. It does seem to me that you have to get over that, oh I may have seen certain things that may have made me think that I am psychic, but I really have to try to do this and I found it really hard to actually do it on my own because there is someone always interrupting me. I find it hard to get the time to do it.
D – there is so many interruptions for so many of us and I can only imagine, with three kids, but even for people with no kids, in today’s climate we have so many distractions, our emails our social media, our phones, our computers, there are so many people surrounded by so many distractions and then you add in the people in your household, it’s really hard to just sit down and mediate, or sit down to practice doing a reading. Most of my classes I teach at a distance over the phone so my students are in their own houses and we meet on the phone or on the computer so everyone has the same challenges. My class is two hours, three hours straight so it’s like for three hours you have to have quiet and just getting yourself to sit down long enough. I mean it’s just, it’s really hard to do that but the thing is there is something so valuable in doing that and while it takes self-discipline to say I know I have like a do it list that is 200 items long, my mind I going nuts, but just the act of sitting down whether you are meditating, doing a class or reading and going into this whole different space where your brain wave patterns slow down, all your body functions slow down, you go into this other realm and it is possible, usually with these things 10 minutes into it, 20 minutes into it you are in a whole different space and when you come out of it it’s like time stopped and you enter into this whole other realm, whole other energetic vibration and when you come out of it, all the things that were bothering you before, maybe not all, but some of the things that may have been bothering you or upsetting you they are just gone, they don’t bother you anymore. Or you may come out of it and even though you were not necessarily have focused on your solving the problems right then, you will have new insights and find yourself behaving in different ways you didn’t even think of. Suddenly you just know the right thing to do after you enter into this realm of being in a psychic space or meditative space or psychic space. So I always tell people, you are actually saving time and being productive, in the same way it’s like sleep. People often say I am wasting my time when I sleep, I could be working or doing something else, but during that sleep time we are leaving our bodies we are going out. We are getting answers then when we wake up a lot of times we have like a whole new fresh perspective of thing
J – I mean how many times have I gone to sleep stuck on something where the answer just wouldn’t come, I just can’t get a handle on it and you wake up in the morning and obviously your brain has been processing something during the night and then you sit at the computer and say oh, I can suddenly do it when the night before you were banging your head against the computer and you just couldn’t do it. I was quite interesting I listened to an interview with Oprah and Deepak Chopra and he was saying he meditates for two hours a day and she was saying ok, there is no way we are going to be doing that and the company she insists that her staff mediates for 20 minutes in the morning, like a bell goes off, they meditate for 20 minutes and then in the afternoon at 5 or whatever, the bell goes off again and they meditate for 20 minutes and she feels it’s absolutely fundamental to people’s health that they do that, that they take that time for themselves. I feel like I’m definitely guilty along with other people that if you never take time for yourself, you give and give and give and then there is nothing left of you to continue giving you kind of burn out. So I can see this as really something I would want to explore and continue doing because if I can’t be in a good place myself I can’t give to the children, the family and be there for them, so I can see that being really useful. What would you see is one thing, if you can give the listeners one piece of advice, one thing that you can tell them to do, they can take away from this podcast, they can do to start changing their lives today?
D – there is so much, well I would say its important for each person to know what their own energy feels like with their own vibration or frequency. I can use those words, they have slightly different meanings but I think overall, what their natural feeling good state is, because a lot of people, they are experiencing everyone else’s energy around them and this gets into the specific psychic ability of clear sense of empathy, being able to feel people emotions. I say being able to because it is an ability, but in the sense, it’s an ability but it’s also a curse and this is a way how answering your earlier question, are we born with this? We all have the ability to feel other people, and some people have felt other people’s energy so much that they don’t even know how their own baseline feels and this is why a lot of people are walking around feeling that not as good as they could, like wondering I should feel good but I don’t. Some people kids grow up their own lives with this feel that I don’t feel good in my own body or having depression or maybe someone is feeling good and suddenly they go to a place and they are not. Or they are around somebody and they don’t know why but whenever they are around the persons they feel tired or they feel upset and really about picking up on a body level the psychic signals and channelling that. So people need to understand what’s theirs and what’s everything else around them, then they can start clearing it and its incredible what happens for people when they realise, oh I was just channelling everyone else’s emotions.
J – so in a way, just to understand it. When I am going into a room and I am surrounded by lots of different people. Sometimes you walk into a room and you feel really nervous or closed in on yourself and other times you feel really welcoming and you are happy to go in there. So if I am feeling for example a certain very strong feeling when I am in the presence of somebody or I am in a room, it’s probably me picking up on the other people vibe to such an extent that it is actually effecting me, so are you saying if I am having that feeling, then I can use the techniques that you are teaching to kind of protect myself from that feeling?
D – well it to protect yourself to some extent, but it’s also to let go of that and get back to how you were feeling before. Like if you were feeling great and you walk into a room and then suddenly you are feeling upset or something doesn’t feel right, that is very likely you are picking up psychic signals. It can be a host of reasons why but that can be why. Let’s say your husband just went through something really stressful and maybe you had a great day and he isn’t even home yet and 5 minutes before he gets home you start to feel this extreme anxiety or sadness or anger, whatever he is feeling and then you are like what is wrong with me, I was just feeling fine nothing happened, then he walks in the door and he is all upset. In that case not only did you feel his energy, you felt it even before he walked into the room because on his way home he is thinking about you, maybe what is she making for dinner, oh I can’t wait to give her a hug and tell her what I just went through. So he is communicating with you telepathically and meanwhile you are picking up on maybe this whole conversation he is having with you, even before his body even comes into proximity with you and so this is where you, once you start to realise that this is even a possibility, a lot of people haven even heard what I’m talking about, they are like how is that possible, but once you start posing the questions, for anyone that is listening to this. You are feeling fine, suddenly you feel pain because this can happen pain wise. If you like I can tell you about an experience I had recently where I was at a friend’s house, I was staying over there and we were waiting for someone to bring breakfast over and we were just getting ready and suddenly I felt this excruciating pain in my left hand and I was like, what the heck is that because nothing happened to me and I have been doing this long enough and experiencing this long enough to say ,oh I must be feeling the pain of somebody else, did someone just hurt themselves, I got concerned, but no one in the house, they were all fine. Five minutes later there was a laugh knock on the door and the woman who was coming to bring breakfast she got blood dripping down her hand and sure enough she cut her hand in the door. You know where her left hand, now as soon as I found out who this was the pain just disappeared, I didn’t have to do anything. But I have had this happened enough where I, and again it’s about the baseline because I knew before I was feeling fine. In the past before I knew this stuff I would just say oh no, I got a physical problem. But imagine that was just a short example, what if I lived with someone who was constantly depressed or constantly angry, that happens to people and then they thing something is wrong with them. A spouse might thing, gosh I suddenly developed into someone who is depressed but no, they are sleeping next to someone who is depressed and then they start to do the techniques that I teach in my books or my classes, that s when they start to realise that this has not been their energy, its someone else’s.
J – that’s so interesting because I am sure that many people have experienced their spouse coming home, had a bad evening or something like that and they are coming home and they feel kind of tense and you kind of feel tense because they walked in with that atmosphere, you then match that atmosphere with your own, so it would be really useful to know how you can kind of calm your energy down so that you can kind of help that person rather than matching that energy, because it’s just everybody getting stressed and strung out.
D – yes, exactly, the thing I observed with people is there is this phenomenon where two people cannot really stay together for any period of time in any proximity and one person be in one state and the other person be in another. So they tend so sync up with each other so that both have to go down into the lower state or they both come up to the higher state. So something ones if you can’t get your spouse in a better place, it’s better to leave the room and you know go off and do something else on your own. It’s just too easy, it’s almost like subconsciously the people are aware of the dissonance between them. But a lot of times what you can do is, if you start to match that state there are meditation techniques you can do to get your energy up higher, sometimes it will just naturally, I have seen this happen a lot where the other person who maybe they are not meditating, but if you raise your energy in a room the other people will be able to naturally raise theirs as well.
J – I think there is going to be a lot of people listening and relating to what you just said because it definitely been my experience and I’m sure other people and my friends listening. I am sure that that is going to resonate with a lot of people because I know I had that happen to me and I am sure other people listening have had it happen to them, that’s really interesting. So what you are doing is teaching quite a bit of meditation to get yourself into the state in order to experience clairvoyance. I wanted to move onto the specific questions that I had because the kind of beginners questions if you like, because I think that would also be interesting to people. What is the difference between what you do as a clairvoyant and medium, or is it actually the same thing?
D – well there is definitely a lot of similarities, but I can speak a bit more about that. Mediumship is a very broad term, for example let’s say I am going to go do a reading on someone. If I want to do a clairvoyant reading, I can just be looking at that person, their field, I can be working with some visual symbols, visual symbols. In my book I talk about using the symbol of a flower and drop that person’s name in the flower, or have them say their name in the flower starts to, this is all in my imagination, but the flower will change and move and do different things and then that becomes the reputation of the person or of their questions, or of their goal or for their relationship and then I will start to probe the different things that the flower does. Like if the petals fall off then I look at the petals falling off and ask them to show me, why did this fall off and it will turn into something else and something else. So this is clairvoyance but what can happen is let’s say I am reading someone and let’s say their mother just passed away and maybe I don’t know that at all. But I am reading them whether I am using the technique of a flower, or whether I am just visualising their body and visualising their Auric field around them.
J – you just mentioned an Auric Field, I just have to stop you there because I have got a questions about auras, I presume that is their auras that you are reading.
D – yes, but really it’s their energy body or if you just think or it as there is energy surrounding a person and that contains information and that information can show up as a colour or there might my symbols in it, so if you look at a person, and when I say look I am really talking about imagining. For example, if I wanted to read you, I would ask you to say your name and one technique would be I can visualize your body and ask your aura to show up around it. Now this is happening in my mind, I am imagining this, but my imagination is not my imagination, it’s the vehicle by which the psychic information can come through. So let’s say I am just saying I want to see Judy’s aura and I get a red colour around you and I say oh, what could this red colour show me and then maybe I get an image of like you in a car and maybe you are making a turn to a left and then maybe I might see a child and a conversation. So I then begin to morph into more and more details and then becomes very applicable to your life. So it’s a step by step process working with one symbol and another and then it starts getting more and more fine detailed until I am getting real details about what is happening and more understanding. So that’s clairvoyance. But let’s say you had someone passed away because you asked about mediumship, let’s say and I didn’t know that but if that spirit is around you when I am looking at your field or just looking at your body, then your imagination would say a woman popped up and she was giving you advice and she was telling you something or she was dressed in a certain way, you can call that mediumship in a way but I would say that in my beginning classes this is the extent of mediumship I teach in level one, so if you want to call mediumship communicating with spirits, that’s one form of mediumship. But there is a spectrum, so I use analogies, for example if you are sitting there and a friend walks into the room and is telling you something, and that is just like a third party coming into the room and I am observing it because I’m having a conversion with you too, that sometime what happens in a clairvoyant readying. It’s not that every reading involves spirits, the reading might have to do with the person’s relationships, problems in their life. The other end of the spectrum though is whole body mediumship or channelling and this will be where I invite the spirit to come into my body, I would leave I would invite the spirit to come into my body and work my vocal cords and I am not even going to be aware of what the spirit was saying. That is full body mediumship or body channelling and that’s a very different experience than just having the spirit at a distance and just communicating.
J – would you say the body channelling is amore advanced technique?
D – Yes, definitely, its more advanced. I don’t know if more advanced is the right word, I would highly recommend that people don’t do that until they have an understanding, it goes right back to what I said before about people needing to know what their own energy is and their own vibrations and just having more control over certain things, because things can get out of hand and it also takes, I guess I am backtracking, but yes, it is more advanced, there is a lot more involved, there is more risks involved and it also takes a person to have their energy up at a certain level and keep it up and clear themselves a whole lot more. I wanted to say here too that this is channelling, for example I can do a reading, I can keep my energy here and your energy is there and I can still read you, or I can right now send my energy over to your body even though you are a living person, I am a living person. I can send my energy into your body, into your head and read you. Now I might right away get your emotional state, I might get some pretty strong impressions, but that’s not really a healthy way to do readings. There is a lot of implications when two people are merging on that level.
J – that was actually a question that I had, so if you were to come over and sort of in a way merge with my body and I didn’t know you were doing that. Is that something you wouldn’t do because that is ethically wrong?
D – well it is ethically wrong if you don’t know that doing it, I mean each person has to come up with their own ethical standards. I would say that’s not ethical for me to go jump into your head but more than that it’s not necessary. Let’s say if you wanted information, I don’t need, that’s not a technique I would tach because that is not even conducive. I can get a lot of information about you and for you without taking my energy and putting it into your head or your body. That’s a messy way to do psychic work and people that are not trained would just naturally do that. So one of the things I teach in my book and my classes is how did you read in a safe way for the reader and for the person that they are reading. What I want to say too about ethics, ethics is definitely a slippery slope here when it comes to having permission to read people, for example while I don’t advocate to just doing intense readings or certainly I don’t advocate jumping into someone head because it can give them a headache, it can have adverse effects. But the other thing to keep in mind is, in a sense there is really no such thing as true privacy because let’s say you and I are having lunch and like I said earlier, we are all being psychic all the time, so we can be having lunch and I can suddenly have this idea of a new business and say hey, I just got this idea wouldn’t this be a great idea for a new business, maybe I would do it and meanwhile what I don’t realise, because the information came to me on a subconscious level, is that is the same business that you have been planning now for a year and you maybe though you might discuss it with me and I subconsciously tapped into it not know it. So this is the thing, a lot of times this is how we are all psychic but don’t know it. A lot of our ideas are coming from other sources and off course it’s very easy. Let’s say you have a fight with your husband, we are having lunch or something or I am at my house and I just think, oh I need to call Judy and suddenly I get this download of information about your husband. I wasn’t trying to do that it just happens, so I really think the idea of privacy is overrated. I think that the more, and this is very scary for people the idea that we can read each other and know these stuff, but my attitude is that this makes us have to be more honest. I don’t have anything to hide, I don’t want people jumping in my head just because it will give me a headache. But if someone wants to read me, go ahead, I have nothing to hide.
J – I am thinking that a lot of people are sitting here listening thinking, I am sure that a few people have had this scenario where you call a friend and they say, oh I was just about to call you. That must be exactly the same thing right?
D – exactly, and there are certain things that can just happen from coincidence and from logic but yes, that is one of the most common things that happen is you are thinking of your friend and then your friend calls you or its more noticeable with somebody you haven’t talked to in years and haven’t thought of in years and suddenly you have that thought or you have a dream about them and there they are.
J – so is it one of the scenarios where I might think, oh actually I might be a little bit psychic. Maybe I have more ability to read more people than the average because we are going to produce a pdf and make it downloadable at the end of the programme of 10 things that may have happened to you and might that you are psychic. So that would be sort of one example right there of that. So chakras, so I was reading the book and there were three different concepts that were new to me. One was energy, we talked about reading people energy, the other thing was people auras and that was interesting and the third thing was you talked about chakras and its kind of fundamental to clairvoyance and opening them up. Maybe people haven’t heard of that before, so I wanted to see if you can explain that a bit for people.
D – so we are all energy beings, we are physical bodies but our physical bodies are also energetic at the same time, so we have different centres within our bodies that are referred to as chakras and when you are doing clairvoyance readings your attention will go to these different areas. Now it’s not that some clairvoyance will see these as disk shape, round shape and some will also see them as colours, but its more kind of that your attention will go to a certain part of the body and there are certain issues that everyone has certain issues that affect that particular part of the body and so whether you want to refer to it as someone heart centre or their heart chakra, there are certain issues and abilities that take place within that body part and so the chakras, its almost like you can think of them as energy computers and each one.
J – so if I had the questions about my own chakras for example, then when you are reading somebody you can feel if something is a little bit off in any particular area of somebody’s body, so if they were in an imbalanced you can look into seeing why and fixing them, would that be what you are doing in one of your healings?
D – yes, but you know I guess for me with what will happen is, I would start to look at somebody and my attention will go to a certain part of their body. Let’s say for example someone has been feeling lonely, and whether they tell me this or intuitively my attention goes to their heart centre or their heart chakra. So my attention goes there, the person has been feeling lonely and the reason why it’s going to that particular part of their body where is centred is because then, if I want to help them heal whatever is there causing the problem, I can then visualize that is causing the problem in that part of their body then I can watch what is helpful to that part of their body. I might get a colour or I might get an actions that they need to take or something to say to that part of their body and so knowing where things are located in the body then lends its self to energy healing.
J – that totally makes sense. It’s absolutely fascinating all of this, there is so much I can talk to you about. I want to end by giving the listeners something actionable that they can do. So I would like them to direct them to download the quiz to find out if you are psychic. But I also wanted to find out, there is kind of just two people that are going to be listening to this. The people that think I would like to go and have a clairvoyant session with you or somebody else. There are also the listeners who say, I actually think I am a little bit psychic, I would like to go and learn more, so how would they go about doing those two things?
D – well definitely they can get in touch with me through my website which is www.debrakatz.com and they can read my books, “You Are Psychic, The Art of Clairvoyant Reading,” is the first one, “Extraordinary Psychic Proven Techniques to Master Your Natural Abilities,” is the second one and “Freeing The Genie Within, Manifesting Creativity Success and Abundance in your life is the third life.” Another thing I wanted to offer, is in addition to booking the session with me through my website, let’s say for somebody, because I have been doing this for a while and I really do so many teachings that I don’t offer many appointments, so my appointments tend to be on the pricier side, however there is a free option that my students every Wednesday California time, over the computer they meet as a group and they practice on people for free. So if you go to my website, you can find my booking calendar and look for practice group readings and book a reading for yourself, so your listeners are all free to do this and it won’t cost them anything. It’s just that sometimes it is booked out months in advance, so if anyone is interested in that, so on my website www.debrakatz.com get yourself on the calendar for free student reading. Or off course I am happy to do a professional one and you can learn about my classes on my website as well
J – that’s fantastic, thank you so much for speaking with us Debra and I will be putting links to all of those resources in the show notes. So thanks Debra and I can’t wait to ask you more in another session.
D – oh it was a pleasure, thank you for your interest.
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